They say that Muay Thai or box or bjj is much more real and useful for street situations. What do you think about people doing karate?|||uninformed propaganda used by ppl to bolster their own and their styles weaknesses and their own cowardice by big noting themselves.also anyone who derides karate obviosly hasn%26#039;t got a clue what their talking about and wouldn%26#039;t make a real martial artists as.hole.|||Tell them a little about Sosai Masutatsu Oyama.Also they may have a pint, all the McDojo%26#039;s and sport karate *** sh*t has given real karate a bad name. The thing about karate is that it is very straight forward, no fancy moves, just kicks and punches.The secret to karate is punching a makiwari and strengthening your self.Basically they train to punch and smash bricks and stuff.Peoplewalking around saying their black belts bcausetheyknow how to do forms and katas will generally get stomped by a amateur powerlifter or a first year kickboxer who has been hitting the bag and relentlessly working on strength and conditioning.Being a tough s.o.b helps a lot too. If you know katas and some fancy moves, but can%26#039;t take a hit or are scared of blood than you suck.Mas Oyama himself stated that you can go nowhere in karate withput breath control, except for maybe a few fancy moves. He meant Abdomen strength and pressure breathing to create a powerful strike.Karate is straight forward , you ahve to put in very hard training to make it effective, unlike AikiJujutsu or Aikido, or Bjj.Also BJJ will get your had stomped on the street when fighting multiple attackers. if you don%26#039;t wnat to puyt in the extreme training it takes to be abvl to break a rib with your punches than I reccomend AikiJuJutsu, Aikido or some other soft art that utilises joint manipulations and not striking speed and strength.I have kicked a few jkarate blue be;lts and taekwondo dudes asses. One guy threw a kick and I (unknowingly at the time) used a Muay Thai grappling maneuver by meeting his shin with my armpit before it gained power and proceeded to punch the sh*t out of his face before throwing him down and ground and pounding.He was hopping backwards on one leg while I was punching him. Here is a quote froma famous UFC fighter%26quot;runners, run ,swimmers swim,fighters fight%26quot; You ahve to fight to be good at fighting. Thats all there is to it. You cna%26#039;t expect to be good atb naything unless you actually do it. And nobody is going to poke your eyes, or throw a rock or smash your balls in sparring practice.|||People who diss karate are generally speaking from experience. Most karate training has clearly been shown to be ineffective, even detrimental, for fighting skill (MMA or self-defence). However, there are exceptions, Kyokushinkai is excellent, and is very much like Muay Thai.
It would be unfair to say that people who do karate are %26quot;wussies%26quot;. Sure, some of them might be cowardly and unwilling to do training that requires hard contact. However, I find that most are merely ill-informed, and really believe that karate is as effective as anything else.|||Authentic Karate taught correctly is very effective, unfortunately most of what is called Karate today in the West is McDojo Cr*p. The people that diss Karate probably have either experienced some McDojo or are just arm chair warriors that are even bigger wussies because they don%26#039;t train at all.|||bjj/muay thai//mma//kick boxing etc are arts designed for fighting between skilled equals who know full well the capabilities of their opponent and fight by mutual agreement.
Trad karate is the art of surprise where your opponent does not know you have any skill or any knowledge of how and where to hit plus throwing locking choking technique that you are knowledgeable in the use of your environment as a weapon or advantage.Very few people who study karate are actually studying trad karate but something that looks like it.
If your 1st reaction is to get into a stance and go HAI KARATE you will probably get your butt kicked because you have given away the element of surprise or say things like %26quot;dont mess with me I know karate%26quot;or the ridiculous%26quot;I cant fight you because I am considered a weapon by the law%26quot;just what a thug needs to convince himself you won%26#039;t fight back or defend yourself.
Wearing dojo crests or style crests is another way to have someone hit you from behind with a chair or bottle.
I have trained for 48 years in trad martial arts forms I have in that time had to use my skill to defend myself once against a tire iron once against a baseball bat and twice against edged weapons not to mention the times that involved just fists and feet and street wrestling .I have never lost came close a few times tho.
None of these situations could be called street fighting on my part tho my opponents thought that is what they were doing and were stupid enough to press the situation rather than leave it alone.|||it%26#039;s propaganda, from other styles trying to sell themselves to the unknowing general public... or it is from people who have never trained a day in their life... either way their opinions dont matter at all... me being curious, when all i heard was TKD is crap, and Muay Thai is great... i went to a Muay Thai gym to find out... and guess what .. Muay Thai is great... I did learn some things i never trained for... but i know many things that they have never trained for... its not better or worse... but it is different, and does have much to offer.. and its not really the difference in techniques, but more in the difference in the way it is trained.... i realized, that my TKD training was great when I went to a boxing gym, but I also learned that i cannot %26quot;side block%26quot;, a jab cross hook uppercut combo... so i still had my TKD training, but the application changed.... in a MT gym i learned that my TKD fighting stance was terrible against MT leg kicks (in leg kick range, but perfect if they cant reach me :).. they are too fast and too low to block, and must be absorbed, by the shin or knee... but there are times when i have the perfect block and counter to a MT technique that they havent seen (if they try to kick me above the waist, because that is what i trained for) .... the fact is every style has something to offer, and if you enjoy training a certain style have fun doing it, and dont worry about what anyone else says... but if you are curious like me... find out for yourself... good luck|||Karate is great (particularly in japan)
It teches you to strengthen your body like a shell if taught by the right school.
All martial arts are good in their own way in techniques.You can definitaly use that in the streets unlike jujitsu unless u want to be on the ground|||I run from people that show me thier fists and when cornered I shoot them.
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If I had to use a martial art, it wont be because I want to. street cred? more power to ya :) I like some korean styles. (the ones where they pull your eyes out using your nutsack)
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the only reason you should hit someone with your fist is because your feet are nailed to the floor.
street fighting is a brutal bussiness, maybe you should try to get along. (before I step up near you and brain you with a chair leg)|||I agree that it aint for street fights but karate is awsome. I think karate or tae kwon do is for discipline and strengthening your muscles and technique. If you want to fight for real do that and a form or MMA (muay thai kick boxing , bjj) both will make you unstopable.|||bjj, MT are fads that are big because of MMA right now. Karate is great. It is a traditional martial art that focuses on the true martial art rather than beating people up. Martials arts isnt about beating people up. If anyone feels the need to call others %26quot;wussies%26quot; they need to look in the mirror first.|||that they are dumb. i do tae kwon do and they show us to respect all kinds of martial arts. nah its not for wussies. the one laying down in the ground is the wussy F that! dont care bout ppl think. just the fact that its a martial arts makes it not be wussy. watever!!! if you really enjoy the type of martial art you want to do then you will be dam good at it.|||most people who believe that karate is useless on %26quot;the street%26quot; are people who have never trained in it themselves. Its best to ignore these people because you know that your style is effective, regardless of what other people think. Train for you not for them.|||I don%26#039;t do Karate but i%26#039;ve been doing TKD for 6 years now. And i%26#039;ve used it in real street fights.
All those haters are just idiots...send them to my neck of the woods and we%26#039;ll show them what Martial Arts is about.|||To those people, karate just wasn%26#039;t the right art for them. If they do BJJ or Muay Thai, then that indicates that they are more interested in harder, more competition like arts.|||All forms of Martial Arts are useful under different circumstances. There may be certain situations where one style would serve you better than others.|||I think people doing karate are awesome.
Let the haters think what they want to think, good for them. Big Whoop.
Phillip|||Why do so many people not realize that their are many different forms of karate, and they all have different phylosiphies and training methods? It is like saying all Blondes are dumb. It is definetly not true, but that is the problem with all blanket statements. The fact is that Traditional Okinawin karate if taught and trained correctly can be devestating on the street for self defense.
So if traditional karate, which was developed in Okinawa to combat armed attackers with your bare hands is not effective on the street for self defense, what is? Karate was developed at a time when losing dodn%26#039;t just mean having your ego bruised, it in all likelyhood meant that you were dead.
Even some of the answers that have said karate-ka%26#039;s are not wussies have stated karate is not effective for the street, which is BS. Now most of your MMA people like to talk about street fighting, which is not what karate is for. Karate is for self defense.
A street fight is a clash of ego%26#039;s that 99% of the time would not be necessary if one of the parties involved would check their ego%26#039;s and refuse to fight and walk away. Self defense is the 1% of the time where it has to get physical. Self defense is not about ego, or money, or making yourself feel like a big man, it is about survival pure and simple.
Yes there are many newer styles of karate and many McDojo%26#039;s who give karate a bad name. They point spar and think that it is reality, or they train exclusivly for sport. I hear people all the time say Kyokushin karate is awsome (and it is), but that it is the only style that is effective. It just so happens that this style was featured on fight Quest, and I also think it is the style that JSP studies. Coincidence? Probably not.
The truth is that Okinawin karate was developed for survival, and I am sorry but a punch or kick back then is the same as a punch or kick now. It is all in how it is taught and trained, period.
If you watch a good traditional karate-ka fight, it will look a lot like a Muya Thai fighter. Okinawin karate has elbows, knees, clinch fighting, low powerful leg kicks, throws, locks, chokes, and take downs, not to mention very tough body conditioning. If you don%26#039;t beleive me check out these clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yA-WuPkR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p2l1YI1L...
Most of the negative things about karate stem from two things:
1) Belt factories or McDojo%26#039;s.
2) UFC/MMA%26#039;s fans that think if it is not reperesented in the ring it is no good. Most Okinawin karate principles, phylosiphies, and teaching go against fighting in a ring for sport. Most advanced karate-ka%26#039;s do not feel the need to prove themselves to others. Maybe that is why you do not see many top level karate people fighting in a ring.
Many marines(warriors) who were stationed in Okinawa thoguht that it was good enough to train in and bring back to America.
The fact is that karate helped me survive a knife attack. Yes i have a scar but I am also alive. My suggestion to people is to train what you want to train, but do not make blanket statements about something that you do not really understand, especially if you do not even train, and all you know about martial arts is what you see on TV or read about on here. If you do not train it, you really can%26#039;t understand it, and you have no basis on which to state an opinion.|||karate is not for wussies but karate is not an effective martial arts for the streets like mma bjjj or muay thai
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