Why are these martial arts so popular, and supposed to be the of most effective?? In MMA, none of the good fighters are experts in any of these martial arts... They are experts either in jiu jitsu, muay thai, kick boxing, judo, wrestling, but no twa kwon do nor karate... Why?|||Part of the reason is because there is more karate and tae kwon do schools. Go into any city big or small and you will see a karate school. Not a kung fu, ninjitsu etc. Also non martial artist always refer to any martial art as karate. You could be studying wing chun, and people would say oh you do karate?|||GSP= Kyokoshin karate
Chuck Liddell = Kempo karate
Stephan Bonner = TKD
Also consider the fact that today the main purpose of most MMA people is to get up to speed and able to compete quickly. Karate and TD both take a long time to get good at, far longer then most people with the I want it now attitude. Aklso the style%26#039;s you mention are all good, however they are designed to be fought under a certian ruleset.
I also would put to you that a MMA bout in the ring has no resemblence to real world self defense, even Bas Rutan has stated that. I have no desire to compete in a ring, however I feel more then adiquatly prepared if I have o defend myself.
Maybe you need to watch less UFC and actually train. Maybe once you have put some blood, sweat and tears in you will understand, and maybe then you will realize that a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch.|||Most effective?Anyone or group that trys to tell you their method is the %26quot;most effective%26quot; is conning you whether it%26#039;s bjj mma karate kung fu or kempo.
Either they are naive or they are trying to sell you something .No legitimate instructor ever uses the words %26quot;most effective%26quot;.
Students usually young ones however like to brag up the method they train in .Lacking confidence in the 1st place they try and build it up by
listening to their own voices and unscrupolous assoc. and dojo operators knowing this use a lot of %26quot;most effective fear no man learn the hidden secrets %26quot; advertising .
As for you comment about mma fighters not knowing karate and tkd and kung fu you are wrong as has been shown by others.
I hope I cleared up this %26quot;most effective%26quot; bullshido for you.|||As Katana pointed out, there are many of North American and European MMA fighters who have their stand-up base in Karate. Bonner is the only one I know who%26#039;s trained in TKD, but I don%26#039;t think he uses it much his stance is more akin to kickboxing. The only Kung Fu stylist I can think of is Cung Le, who uses a style called Sanda or San-shou (though if he continues to be successful we%26#039;ll naturally see more fighters using that style).
And of course if you go to Japan, the number of MMA fighters who are trained in Karate styles rises exponentially.|||just because the people in mma practice a martial art doesn%26#039;t mean it is the most effective. i%26#039;ll grant you that some martial arts tend to be more effective than others. there are no tae kwon do, karate, or kong fu because they have their own tournaments. and most of the practitioners don%26#039;t like to wear the stupid gloves in combat, because they make the fight less about true skill and more about who gets lucky with a heavy one. I would know, the reason i, and many of my fellow practitioners, don%26#039;t compete in mma because of the stupid rules, gloves, and amature fighters. I%26#039;m fine in a good old kung fu tournament.|||george saint pierre(ufc welter weight champion)- kyokushin karate
bas rutten(former heavy weight champion) 3rd Degree Black Belt Kyokushin 2nd Degree Black Belt: Tae Kwon Do 2nd Degree Black Belt: Karate
david lousou- tae kwon do
andy hug(k1 legend)-kyokushin karate
cung le-taekwondo inspired him to start other arts
seth petruzelli(*** kicker of kimbo slice)-karate
anderson silva(p4p best fighter in world)-His interest in martial arts began at age 14 when he started learning tae kwon do
Serkan Yilmaz-Taekwondo K1 Fighter
Keiji Ozaki Taekwondo K1 Fighter
Yong Soo Park Taekwondo K1 Fighter
Lukasz Jurkowski Taekwondo MMA Fighter
Patrick Smith Taekwondo Fighter
Genki Sudo used karate for stand up
stephen bonnar- taekwondo ufc fighter
chuck liddell- kenpo
BIGGEST KARATE BADDASS= LYOTO MACHIDA
i do agree that 80% of tkd and karate places are more intrested in sport competition especailly taekwondo because of the olympics|||First off you%26#039;re wrong, lots of MMA fighters are experts or have rankings in these styles. Where do you think kickboxing got it%26#039;s roots from? That%26#039;s right from styles like karate and taekwondo and muay Thai. Secondly, MMA does not represent martial arts, it%26#039;s just ONE sporting event. There%26#039;s a whole entire martial arts world out there OTHER than MMA competition that you need to explore.|||Tae Kwon Do and Karate are popular because of their availabilities. You only has to drive around the corner of any major street and you see a Tae Kwon Do place. On the other hand if you want to learn Kung Fu or Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai then you have to look in the yellow page and may have to drive farther than you would willing to go everyday.|||They are popular because most of them are %26quot;belt factories%26quot;.... people just want to be able to say they are a black belt....which means nothing that way....
There is absolutly NO WAY a person should be able to become a %26quot;black belt%26quot; in just a few years....its horrible.... its something that could take decades of training.... most people want to appear to be a fighter....not actually be one.... |||Because TKD is for 8 year olds whose rich parents want to pawn them off on someone else. Same with Karate. Then we have 40,000 twelve year old kids thinking they are black belts.
Some karate (and rarely TKD) is very disciplined, difficult and intricate, but generally it is just what little kids do.|||MMA is settled on the ground 90% of the time, thats why. TKD and Karate are popular for traditional arts, but their popularity is fading with the rise of MMA|||Machida%26#039;s a black belt in Karate. There%26#039;s fighters oversea%26#039;s that are using Karate %26amp; Tae Kwon Do just not a lot here in the UFC.|||Because TRUE martial arts training has nothing to do with beating the $hit out of some one!|||just because mma fighters use them doesnt ake them the best|||We don%26#039;t waste our time on peeing contests.|||Your question is a two fold one, 1) why is karate and TKD so popular in the western world and 2) if its so popular why do we not see it in MMA.
1) I think karate and then TKD got off to a good start which helped its success in the west, they were first to introduce grading and Competition to the system. In the east such practices were not employed even in karate, grading is a western concept. Parents felt their kids were achieving something so they stuck at it until they grew up to become masters with their own schools. Other styles such as Kung-fu are about hard work you are student until you are master that%26#039;s it, and for the western world this was no an attractive, gratifying pass time, which slowed their spread in the west. TKD is also very much a sport rather than self defense which makes it a more popular option for younger people. Also No-one says these arts are the most effective...most effective in what? if you mean self defence then its not, you can find many self defence systems that are vastly superior. If you mean in sport then that depends on the sport and its rules. If MMA allowed it i suspect Hung Gar Kung Fu would be very effective but alas bone breaking, eye gouging, clawing are not allowed, and that makes up 80% of the system!
Conclusion:
Karate and TKD was marketed better to the western world
2) Karate an TKD are used in MMA, mma however suffers from a general identity crisis. As you well know there are only so many ways you can punch a guy, a punch in Karate is much the same as in most arts, so when a fighter throws a punch regardless of what art he practices MMA will call it a boxing punch, if he kicks even if it is a karate kick, in MMA they will call it a meuy thai kick same goes for judo throws and BJJ grappling.
The best example of this could be neil grove, you can see people saying boxing punch, MT kick etc etc, and the truth was he only studied Goju!!
Conclusion:
MMA is dumb.... oh sorry i mean, MMA will always credit certain moves to its popular staple of styles regardless of where the fighter actually learned them.|||They%26#039;re popular in large part because some key founders of such arts diid their best to spread their systems into the international market. Taekwondo is probably the best example of this. It%26#039;s Korea%26#039;s national sport, and has been featured at the Olympics since Seol (1988). Karate had former US servicemen teaching in after WWII, and the Japanese (predominantly Shotokan) being taken on tour so to speak in Europe and Southeast Asia. If it%26#039;s in your face all the time, then no matter what martial art you see, you%26#039;re going to think %26quot;karate%26quot; or %26quot;taekwondo%26quot;.
There are plenty of good MMA fighers who use these systems. Lyoto Machida is undefeated, and counts Rich Franklin, BJ Penn and Tito Ortiz among his wins; he%26#039;s got a very distinct Shotokan-based style. Georges St-Pierre, current UFC WW champion and one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, practices Kyokushinkai, and it still clearly effects the way he kicks. Ryo Chonan, who has a win against Anderson Silva, has a background in karate, as does Genki Sudo, another good fighter. David Loiseau, who once challenged for the UFC Middleweight title, has a taekwondo background. So does Stephan Bonnar. Anderson Silva%26#039;s style seems very heavily influenced by Taekwondo, as does %26quot;Shogun%26quot; Rua%26#039;s style.
The reason those systems typically don%26#039;t get much credit in MMA is the way they%26#039;re taught. Muay Thai, boxing, and so on are treated as athletic events. Guys put on gloves and hit each other. If you go to a Muay Thai class, the entire class will be devoted to getting into shape and performing in such a way that you win a Muay Thai match. A typical karate and taekwondo match has a lot of activities that don%26#039;t directly contribute to winning a fight, such as kicking and punching the air, or performing %26quot;forms%26quot;. Even the equipment work is often by rote, instead of more closely simulating a fight, like you%26#039;d see in so-called %26quot;sport%26quot; martial arts training.
The moves are incredibly similar, and are just as effective. The training method is where the breakdown occurs.
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