Saturday, May 15, 2010

Is karate useful when u have to defend urself in a street fight when ur bully comes really close to u and grab

in street fight there is no distance like the fights in karate,but is karate useful in street fights?|||Yes of course. It is all on how you learned to use it from your teacher. Some teachers are good and others not so good.





That is what really makes the difference on whether any form of Martial arts will work. Did you have a good teacher %26amp; did you learn it well yourself.





IF both are yes than it can be effective on the street. If you had a bad school like a mcdojo you will think you are ok and end up with the tar beat out of you.|||You already have better answers and advice that I can give. I%26#039;m just interested in the question, so I%26#039;m joining the chorus.





My grandson has a Temporary Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do which has been taught to him as a sport. He is only 11 so learning has just begun. His TKD is better than no training at all. I have a plan. This summer he starts judo. We have a good judo program nearby. In a year, maybe two, he will be doing school wrestling. We also have an olympic style kickboxing school in the area. His four years of Tae Kwon Do is going to be augmented by ground skills, grappling, and boxing. He has 7 years to do these things before he graduates from high school. Of course the real agenda is four years of math and four years of science in preparation for college. I can send him off to college, knowing that he can defend himself.





But! Today, he would be more safe with a permit to carry.





We have been talking about him going into the Coast Guard, or getting into the Border Patrol, but that can change a couple times before he gets to college.





This winter he was at a kid%26#039;s place in a city not near home. His friend had won the trip and could take one other kid. Some older kids, teen%26#039;s, were harassing the boys and a 13 year old took some money from grandson. Grandson let it go and walked away. Later when the boys were going to their room, the group, several boys with girls started on them again. I know my grandson. He is really easy going and takes so much, then he explodes. The 13 year old who took his money got in his face calling him names. Grandson punched him and demanded his money back. The 13year old backed up, and a 15 year old rushed in, grabbed grandson, picked him up and threw him on the floor, turned and started walking away. Grandson leaped up and delivered a roundhouse to the 15 year olds lower thigh, just above the knee.(Like I told him-not his teacher.) The 15 turned and looked at grandson in a fighting stance, and after studying him a bit(The girls in the group were starting to get on their boyfriends,%26quot;He%26#039;s only 11%26quot;.), told the 13 year old, %26quot;Give him his money back.%26quot; The 13 year old threw the money on the floor and they left.





Grandson got into trouble at the dojang for fighting. He got into trouble, because,%26quot;What if one of them had a knife?%26quot; One of the Black Belt%26#039;s sons wastrying to help a freind who was getting beat up at a party, and a kid stabbed him in the back. His son was in intensive care for several days!





Grandson was in a big city. He didn%26#039;t know anyone. His buddy is a wimp. Anything could happen. Who knows what that group of little junior thugs will be doing in a couple of years?





It is knives and guns today.





We need more solid citizens with carry permits.|||You should defend yourself with love, peace, and understanding. Councel the person, find out what%26#039;s bothering them. Use this to your advantage and the world will be a better place. Might I even suggest you invite them to a Goat show! Good luck and happy hooves.|||What katana 17 said .If you take martial arts and the only range you practice is sport range you will get your butt kicked.





There are only 2 options back off and get out of there or fight but remember fighting when you may not have to is the weak man%26#039;s solution to a problem.|||in a street brawl, your best bet is krav maga. anyone can try it


and it%26#039;s been proven to work (even the israeli army uses it. I saw an amazing show called fight quest -on the discovery channel which featues this martial art)|||you gotta make your own distance %26quot;ma-ai%26quot;. Imperative you don%26#039;t get into grapple as it is very tiring if you aren%26#039;t used to it.


If you can%26#039;t avoid it, it is imperative you strike hard and fast. If you can%26#039;t be sure that your life is in danger go for the %26quot;low balls%26quot; If you are in a life threatening situation go for the %26quot;Eye balls%26quot;





PS Excellent answer from Katana man above. Untl you have been placed in the situation, you don%26#039;t know how your body will re-act eg Fight or Flight. any martial art training will only give you an %26quot;edge%26quot;. if only mental. eg. I%26#039;m too scared to hit him in case I do some real damage, therefore put your ego in your pocket and just avoid the conflict!|||Listen to what %26quot;katana%26quot; said!


Good answer!|||...Do you plan on getting into a brawl?|||I%26#039;ve studied some Karate and I have found the forms and drills they do for grappling defense is p!ss poor. They are highly presumptuous and they often train against poor grabs (who grabs a lapel or puts their hands on your shoulders from behind) Traditionalists will tell you yes, but they will also tell you nothing changed in self defense in 500 years.|||You don%26#039;t know anything about karate do you|||Most Karate or TKD schools teach beginners a couple of different types of self defense.





1.) Punching defense, example, how to react when someone throws a punch at you.





2.) Grabbing defense, example, one had grab to shirt, two hand grab to collar, bear hug, full nelson, wrist grab, choke hold, etc. They will teach you some basic techniques to free yourself from the hold. In some techniques, you are simply getting free, in others, you are inflicting damage on the person that grabbed you.





So the answer is yes, most schools teach these things.





James|||Well i was in an abusive relationship i now am a brown belt kick boxer and my confidence is hudge i dont cower from no one any more so my answer would be yes. :-) xx|||Karate teaches self defense, and even though many of the moves are structured, it teaches you to move quickly and respond to the actions of the person you are fighting. It also teaches you how to be attacked from all angles near and far.


So karate is absolutely helpful in any type of fight situation.|||First no one has to defend themselves in a street fight. A street fight is a clash of ego%26#039;s that can 99.9% of the time be avoided by other means. The other .1% is where you enter self defense area. Self defense is all about survival. No ego, no money, no belts, no cheering crowds, Survival pure and simple.





To answer your question no karate by itself will not help you. Karate taught to you correctly and trained realisticly will definetly give you an advantage. What most people think of as karate today is a sport. That is where the long range thing comes in. In traditional Okinawin styles the prefered fighting range is in close, where the elbows an knees come into play, because they are very strong fast techniques. fighting in a clinch is not just a Muya Thai thing, Okinawin Karate trains it as well. We have leg kicks, with no off limit targets. We train to defend against knives and bats, as well as how to use them correctly. Traditional Okinawin styles have many sweeps, locks, throws, and chokes hidden in their kata%26#039;s, and need a good instructor to teach them.





People who say karate is useless have just never been exposed to the real not watered down stuff that Mcdojo%26#039;s teach, and unless they ever attack somebody who knows it and forces them to defend themselves they probably never will. Put it this way... the marines who brought karate back from Okinawa thought it was pretty effective. If it was good enough for them to train, don%26#039;t you think that anyone could benefit from it?|||James and Katana have good answers to your question. I no sure of your question about distance. We are taught and now I teach he same thing because of my experience that the closer I am the more you hurt. In Karate we don%26#039;t usually back away from a strike we normally attack the strike. Most people on the street that are afraid of being hit will step back when punched. It wouldn%26#039;t be a good idea for someone to invade my personal space and grab me. That person hand or arm would be what I would use to let them know never to try that again.





Personally I don%26#039;t have much use far point sparring. We do teach it too but it is not our focus. That is far the students that want to compete and win trophies.





Take a look at this post. It is close quarter contact. The guy is not trying to put any distance between himself and the attacker.





http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...|||Are you actually referring to the Okinawan martial art of karate? Or are you using %26quot;karate%26quot; as a general term for martial arts(it common for people to do)?





If you are talking about the Okinawan styles of Karate then it depends some Karate dojos are more modern and teach realistic fighting techniques while others are kinda outdated set in old ways. Also some Karate dojos actually teach some grappling and close range fighting. But if you are stuck in an old traditional Karate dojo with no grappling, take down defense, ground fighting, use of knees and elbows then yeah you are kinda screwed in close range.





If you mean %26quot;karate%26quot; as in martial arts then there are plenty of close range/grappling martial arts such as aikido, judo, jujutsu, brazilian juijitsu etc...





If you are looking for specifically Karate I personally like Kyokushin Karate because they focus greatly on sparring (even multiple men sparring).





If you are looking for all around self defense I like Krav Maga which focuses from disarming weapons, to striking, to grappling.





If you want to go for a good striking art Muay Thai is easy to find and is a great striking art which even allows clinching, knees, and elbows for close range fighting.





Judo and Brazilian Jiujitsu are good for close range. Judo is greatly focused on throws and takedowns, while BJJ is focused on submissions and ground fighting.





http://www.majorsmartialarts.com|||Nope! Karate is a power fighting style. You need distance to make devasting and effective strikes or kicks. A soft art would be better. Aikido, would be what I recomend. It%26#039;s deceptive and doesn%26#039;t require a lot of brawn.|||Don%26#039;t bring a karate chop to a gun fight.|||Ooohh! When they grab you is when they are in the worst possible position.





Especially the big guys, because they believe their size gives them instant advantage.





This is just a reflection of what has been said here already.





If you believe the %26#039;game of tag%26#039; that passes for %26quot;karate%26quot; is what it is all about, then you have it all wrong.





I don%26#039;t even call my art %26#039;karate%26#039; anymore. This term has been associated with the complete opposite of what it really is.





Cnote: The Old Karate is where you learn the grappling and other things you say are not done.





It is the %26quot;modern%26quot; karate that is strictly a %26#039;kick and punch%26#039; art.





Okinawan Karate is totally misunderstood. If you notice, alot of practitioners that teach the complete art refer to it as karatejutsu.





It is the karatedo that is not realistic. Karatedo is not the Old Style Karate.|||Actually if you%26#039;re learning effective karate and not the point sparring tag version, you%26#039;ll learn to fight at a close distance. Your fists, elbows, knees, and feet only go so far after all.|||Yes to the first part of your question.


Of course distance is your friend in any confrontation. Knowing how to control your space and when to respond to an attack is paramount in a street situation. Learning a fighting art is good. Even better is learning how to use it in real life situations is even better. A lot of schools unfortunately fall short in this area. If your school is not teaching good self defense strategies than I would advise you to shop around.|||if its a bully that close to you just strike his neck to end the fight quickly

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