Which punch is effective the jab in boxing or the karate way were your phist rotates when you punch?

I did some boxing and tryed karatea class the style of punches are diffrent in karatea your phist is behind your weist then rotate when you strike a target.There are moves in karatea that are lethal like karatea chops if striked in the neck,but which punches could cause more damege the ones in boxing and kickboxing or the ones used in karatea and other martial arts.|||I%26#039;ve never heard so many bad answers. Karate punches are for %26#039;breaking the skin%26#039; ????? boxers not being taught how to punch correctly etc.???





Firstly boxing punches also rotate the fist. Especially the jab.





So it%26#039;s possible there is no difference between what you are seeing.





Of the full contact karate styles kyokshin and kensryu etc. the guys who out their mind to doing a lot of full contact sparring from those sports end up punching like boxers as far as I am concerned anyway.





Guys there is one sport worth 50 million a year to the champion.





In other words anyone who thinks they are worth can take a shot at that money.





And everyone does.





And at the end of the day, the heavyweight boxing champ does boxing, punching the same way 30 million other boxers do,the same way the UFC guys learn to punch, the same way the bareknuckle boxers did in the 1700%26#039;s and 1800%26#039;s, the same way the german, french and english medieval night was taught to punch, the same way the roman gladiator was taught to punch, the same way the greeks , arabs and egyptians punched.





Anything else is mass marketed BS by martial arts companies trying to make money out of modern day suckers.





I%26#039;m sorry. When even the asian armies dumped their own fighting styles, and bushido codes and self defence techniques in favour of The western military system and rank system, that is a pretty strong endorsement to me.|||Ok the reason for the diference is gloves (there are also many technical difference) ... The surface area with a punch without gloves is two knuckles... with a glove the impact is spread out making a %26quot;fight ending punch%26quot; more difficult (but not imposible), thus the need to keep your other hand high to defend against retaliation... The gloves also serve as a small %26quot;sheild%26quot; to help absorb impact... when wearing gloves the fight is generally in close quarters and trading punches is enevitable and if you don%26#039;t keep your guard up you will have a much greater chance of being knocked out..... now the full body rotation you are describing in karate where the off hand comes to your belt... (IMO) Is to get you to learn maximum power while keeping maximum balance, but in a serious fight, I do not suggest you take either hand and turn it upside down and hold it at your belt (but for board breaking and demonstration yes)... But the practice of properly executing a MA punch will give you one hell of a right cross (my two cents)|||WTF? The jab isn%26#039;t even a punch? See this is the reason why people shouldn%26#039;t take Martial Arts when they don%26#039;t even know how to fight.





That is why most MMA guys are so slow with their punches and rely on brute strength, rather than technique to knock people out.





Anyway, the jab is only used to take the other fighter out of his rhythm and to set him up with a right cross!





The right cross is basically the same as the Karate/Taekwondo punch, except for the snap back.|||Before I tell you my views on which punch is better, i have to say that boxers usualy are not taught how to punch properly, you probably herd about Mike breaking his hand in a street fight, wel its because boxers always wrap their hands and use gloves, they usually dont learn to punch properly without the gloves so even though they punch the guy out in a street fight they can end up with a broken hand





Now about the karate way of punching, im not sure how much better it is, I have the Bas Rutten DVD at home and on it he says that its better to punch straight without rotating the fist as rotating it will only telegraph to your opponent what you are doing





As for pulling the hand back to the weist, well i think there is a time to do it and there is a time to keep your hands up. I do kyokushin karate and our training is very different from other styles but we still pull the fist back when doing a straight punch, we do it to teach our body power and body action, when you pull your fist back not only does it give your next attack more distance to travel but it also gives you better rotation





Its hard to say what is better, with karate you get more power and the ultimate goal for karate is to have one knockout punch, while boxing style where you keep your hands up you can protect yourself more, although in the street you dont have big gloves to protect yourself with so you will still need to change a little





I think boxers will know better since that is what they do, and its probably better not to pull your hand to the waist all the time, but in training i think its important to learn to have that power since in a real fight with adrenalin pumpoing your movenments will become short so its good to exadurate things during training|||Only with a bare fist is the corkscrew-style punch useful but the tate tsuki (vertical punch) is effective at close range as well as full extension. At the moment of impact with the corkscrew style punch there is hundreds of pounds of pressure and a quick, strong rotation of the fist can cause more bruising, pain, and thus blood loss into the skin and even more pain if the same spot is stuck again.|||ok, both are effective. But the purpose of the karate style punch is to break the skin upon impact. That is why the hand turns at last minute of the strike. It is hard for me to say which is more effective. Boxing is fast jabs while karate is both fast and meant to break the skin. But know this, very rarely does the breaking of the skin actually happen. But it does hurt like the dickens.|||Dear lord this is a train wreak of a thread I dont blame six for his response..





First to answer the original question.. The hand rotates for the purpose of BONE ALINEMENT and to tighten the connective tissues in the wrist. Hold your forearm close to the elbow where you can feel your bones.. radius and ulna I think, and twist your arm.. they twist over top each other. Now you could achive those things in other manners but they tend to take away from either speed or power of the strike in many cases.





Both the jab and what you are calling the %26quot;katatea%26quot; punch rotate. The jab is typically of your front hand and the other is off of your rear hand. So the rear hand has more travel time and will be more visible ( this is different from when to use a vertical punch and when to use a horizontal )





Its just in boxing you dont have to guard from kicks and its illegal to use traps. So keeping both hands up is the best defense and you would never have your back fist comming from a low angle point of origin..





In martial arts its a common pratice for some styles to keep your front hand up and your rear hand down, it allows the rear hand to pick up the low shots while both arms form an %26quot;open ended V%26quot; that can be used to trap limbs / weapons








Boxers know how to punch, thats what they do, they are a prime example of good upper body mechanics for puches. I love to watch a good boxer uppercut in slow motion.. It starts in the big toe / foot and travels up.. the elbow is over the knee, they are rotating and lifting and even the breath is in sync.. if you want to learn how to puch watch that over and over... Now they do have to limit themselves to certain motions as they are in a sport setting but for anyone to think a boxer is never taught the body mechanics of punching is sadly ignorant of what good body mechanics are.|||Both punches should twist . I took martial arts when I was young and boxed for 9 years! Before you jab your thumb is up at end of jab your thumb is towards the center of your body! The same both effective! Would have to go with advantage to the boxer since it is punching is the focus of offense in the art! It is an art!|||I think that they are both effective in their own ways, My personal feeling is that you should tailor the weapon choice to the situaiton. There is distance, target, angle of attack, and other factors when deciding which weapon choice to make. In my art, American Kenpo, we use both as well as a thrid option as a lead strike, a backfist., where the arm extends and unfolds at the elbow to take a horizontal path inward (or outward) to it%26#039;s target instead of a straight in strike like a jab.|||Here%26#039;s a picture of the jab in boxing. Verticle fist.


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/demp...





Here%26#039;s a picture of the punch used most commonly in karate, Japanese and Okinawan,


http://www.karatevid.com/pics/EBV1StepPu...





Here%26#039;s a picture of Isshinryu%26#039;s punch.


http://www.isshinryu.de/images/lehrer/Sh...





Notice the boxing and Isshinryu Karate punch are both verticle. Master Shimabuku seemed to believe the verticle punch was %26quot;older%26quot; in karate than the twist punch. Boxing has a twist punch too, the straight punch. Also, southern Kung Fu, from which Karate (Isshinryu and Shotokan etc) come from, has both twist and verticle punches.





So, what am I suggesting? Twisting, or not twisting a punch, verticle or not, it contained in both systems, western boxing and karate.